There’s over 83 of them.
This is about trying to find the retcons in Flynn’s continuity errors. Continuity errors are unintentional retcons at worst. Here, I’ll take the implications of those contradictions to the logical conclusion and try to figure out how they’d retcon the past of Archie Sonic if they were meant to be retcons. It’d take forever to re-explain ALL of Flynn’s continuity errors and retcons again when I already did that in other blog posts. This is just a list of how many issues he really contradicted and what exactly the canon past of his work even IS anymore with that many contradictions of the work before him.
Based on House of Cards, we’re supposed to believe Sonic always teased Tails and called him names and never believed him about his adventures, so apparently he wasn’t much better than Fleetway Sonic in his eyes earlier. And in Universe 16, Tails says he hasn’t been a Freedom Fighter for very long, so he thinks Espio has no dirt on him.
That implies that he got acknowledged as a part of the Freedom Fighters WAY LATER in Flynn’s canon despite all his contributions, so either all his contributions are non-canon now or his friends were ignorant jerks who refused to make him a Freedom Fighter because of his age for a ridiculously long time.
Bunnie talks to Sonic in 218 as if he’s been brainwashed a LOT by Eggman into fighting Bunnie, and Sonic calls that a tired scheme. So apparently that happened a lot in Flynn’s canon, but it sure didn’t in the actual comic. He only fought her as Mecha Sonic ONCE. And based on that Free Comic Book Day issue, Knuckles was always throwing Sonic off his island, even though their friendships were clearly better than that in the pre-Flynn comic.
And Sally calls Elias her adventurer brother in House of Cards so now he is when he WASN’T a constant adventurer and was lucky to get very occasional excitement. In fact there was a time where he stayed in a village for months as a lumberjack and said a peaceful life was what he wanted for his family.
And after Sonic and Eggman come to a truce against Enerjak, Sonic lampshades that Eggman always backstabs him when they work together. But he NEVER did that. They NEVER worked together. And in 234, Eggman says that he’s been fighting Sonic’s group for ” ten plus years. ” Huh?
Also, while we’re told in SSS5 and SSS1 that Snively wanted to rule alone for years, Flynn’s work implies that Snively was loyal enough to get Robotnik out of the Zone of Silence willingly for no reason, and Robotnik says he could trust the little runt back then. Even though in SSS5, he’s been waiting to rule alone since Sonic was a child.
1: Issue 160: We start Flynn’s work right AWAY with a massive Series Continuity Error. So that cave with a door on the side of a limestone mountain is supposed to be the old base? That’s their underground base from the old days, when you can walk into it through a door just fine? Eggman would’ve found it 10 years ago! And he finds it in this very issue. It was never a mountain with a door in it which was in a completely separate place from Knothole as a village.
So how did some of the plots of the older stories even go the way they did if the base WASN’T hidden safely underground? This continuity error contradicts basically every issue where the base is firmly established to be under the stump. Like Sonic Miniseries Issue 0 and 2, and Issues 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, etc.
In Sonic Miniseries Issue 0, the reason the heroes went out of their base to the forest was because the trees were crying because a few of them were cut down, and Antoine was worried about trickle-down technology finding their base because of it. So how would the heroes have known to exit their base and encounter Eggman for the whole plot resolution, if their base was all the way away from the forest and Knothole and above ground?
The only way that plot happening could’ve made sense then is if Rotor had cameras that spotted those specific trees being cut down and the willow trees crying about it, but those would have to be some VERY conveniently placed cameras! Which would’ve been destroyed by Eggman’s robot along WITH the trees. If he just sent a FLYING camera, maybe that would’ve helped, but he had no reason to, and either way this is a huge contradiction to the entire beginning of the plot that requires quite a rewrite.
Sonic Miniseries Issue 2: Back then, Knothole itself was considered to be underground. Go figure, that would’ve actually made SENSE for hiding it from ROBOTNIK! This was before they conformed to SatAM and stopped making sense with Knothole not being found already. So with that in mind Antoine saying to the pig infiltrator robot that now Eggman knows where Knothole is, and the pig saying that it won’t be here much longer, is pretty important.
How could this dialogue take place if Robotnik didn’t know where their base was? Eggman would know where their base was already if it was out in the open in some obvious mountainside where anyone could see the door on it!
In fact the whole reason that base was made by Elias was to have a focal point to attract Eggman. And here we see how stupid that idea is because Eggman should’ve just sent a robot like this with a bomb in it to that base in the middle of the night and blown their entire headquarters up. That’s why we can’t have Eggman know where the heroes’ base is. Of course this whole issue is non-canon anyways because of the Freedom Emeralds being forgotten an issue later, but this is just here to further illustrate my point about what kind of base the heroes really had back then.
Was the mountain with the door supposed to be on the bottom of a hill? And when Sally went down to enter her base to escape Fang, she could go down to enter the base because she was on top of that hill? So that’s supposed to mean her base in 160 is underground but there WAS NO HILL that the Knothole base could be underneath in the earliest issues in the first place. My point still stands that it’s not the old base. If there was a hill in the Great Forest wouldn’t it tower over the forest and thus be easier for Robotnik to see? No indication of the area around the stump being elevated at all.
Issue 1: Antoine left the base to go get a flower for Sally and immediately got entangled by the vine Krudzu robot. Which was specifically stated to have been planted in the Great Forest, not in a base so far away from it that Snively had to attack it separate from the forest which Eggman destroyed himself. Antoine wouldn’t have gotten entangled by that vine robot in that plot, and alerted the heroes to the existence of the Krudzu in the first place, if their base wasn’t where it was.
It would be more convenient for them to keep an eye on the forest properly if they were living in it. Even if the heroes had seen the Krudzu on camera footage of the forest, they might not have thought to recognize the Krudzu as anything suspicious and out of the ordinary because it still looked like a plant until it had someone around it to threaten. So THE WHOLE PLOT wouldn’t have HAPPENED! We wouldn’t have Tails watering the remains of a Krudzu plant and revealing its weakness because Antoine wouldn’t have had it get brought into the base.
In Two-Timer, in Issue 2, we get reminded that Sonic’s base is in fact underground. Sonic says he can clean up the litter from yesterday’s Freedom Fighter parade, and he does so while clearly still underground. If they had a parade UNDERGROUND, then it has to be that at best all of Knothole is underground or at worst the base is.
Issue 3: The base is clearly underground. Rotor even comments on the rumbling because the Burrobot is tearing up the forest ABOVE THEM. Them being below the forest was how Antoine found out about the Burrobot giant and told his friends about it so fast. Apparently according to Flynn they found out with cameras and microphones from a cave instead?
Issue 5: We see another reminder that the base is in the Great Forest. Sonic goes to talk to his friends there and we see a panel in the forest and the words, ” No way, Sonic! “ above some trees before seeing them talk in their underground base. And in the second main story, we get reminded that a stump is the secret entrance to Knothole Village, by a literal box-shaped arrow, and that stump is clearly in the Great Forest, and then we immediately proceed to see the Freedom Fighters, who were implied to be in that forest.
The most damning evidence is that Sally literally says that if the robot keeps eating the wood, they’ll have no more forest left to hide in, after Sonic is worried that the robot will escape their base into the Great Forest and start eating the trees there. They wouldn’t have said all of that if their base wasn’t underground and in the forest. That entire panel wouldn’t have happened to increase the tension.
Neither would Robotnik’s panel later that reveals that his plan was to have the robot devour the whole forest, which wouldn’t have been expected to happen if the heroes’ base wasn’t in the forest. And Sonic goes through the Great Oak Slide to escape the base and get a log that can help beat the robot when combined with thick pancake batter to seal its mouth shut. Though Sonic could’ve ran so fast that he could’ve reached the forest in time anyways even if his base wasn’t in the forest.
And the whole conflict of the second main plot happens because Sally immediately got kidnapped by a tree robot the second that Thorny went missing from the heroes’ base and that wouldn’t have happened at all if their base wasn’t in the Great Forest.
She wouldn’t have GONE to the forest with Sonic to look for Thorny because she wanted to get rid of him in the first place, so she wouldn’t have gotten kidnapped, and thus been thankful when Thorny rescued her. The plot would’ve either not happened according to Flynn or been forced with Sally going to the woods with Sonic for no reason just to get kidnapped.
Issue 9 definitely meant to have the base be underground because we see Pseudo go into it through a stump in the Great Forest.
Sonic Super Special 5: The old base from the first issue is discovered here when Sonic was a kid and it’s clearly UNDERGROUND, below a stump. Flynn would have you believe the base is in a mountain you open a door to get into that’s separate from the Great Forest entirely. But this story says the heroes had discovered this place because Tails landed on a stump on unstable ground and fell through.
If this was Flynn writing it, it would’ve been much more risky for ALL of the FFs as kids to go ALL THE WAY outside of the Great Forest where they were hiding from Robotnik as kids, with no adult supervision, just to find that cave where Freedom HQ is.
Issue 65: Another clear reference to the fact that the heroes’ base is supposed to be underground because Nate discovered it by accident near a stump. He didn’t go into a cave in the side of a mountain apart from the forest.
2: Issue 2: Sonic says in Issue 188 that he beat Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts when he was 8, but they were clearly sent after Sonic for the first time in Issue 2. Apparently he was 8 in that issue then. Tails is 7 years younger than Sonic. 15 – 7 = 8. So when Sonic was 8 years old, Tails was, get this, 1 year old. Obviously that’s not how the story was. If you were being generous with the age difference, Tails would’ve been 3 years old. Either that, or Issue 2’s first story is apparently now completely non-canon, or taking place in a separate dimension entirely.
3: Issue 4’s The story ” Lizard of Odd ” was contradicted in 189 because the heroes just casually start calling the Zone of Silence the Special Zone for no logical reason when they already had a Special Zone in Lizard of Odd. So according to Flynn’s canon, that zone never existed.
To be fair, Sonic didn’t really need to go Super with the Emeralds in that story, because if all he needed was to use a shrink ray, then he would’ve just done that just fine without going Super. So that doesn’t cause too many problems. But it still retcons a lot of panels in the story and pretends Sonic was never Super in any of them. And the base is underground there too. Sonic first spots the giant lizard robot after getting out of the stump.
4: Issue 11: Every single issue where Scourge showed up was contradicted when Scourge says much later, ” you used to know me as the Anti-Sonic, ” when they always called him Evil Sonic, and in Issue 189 characters call their twins Anti like that was normal with them not being called out on the name change. So this would include issues like 11, 19, 24, 44, Sonic Super Special 10, 150, 151, and that one issue where Antoine karate-chopped Scourge.
5: Issue 16’s James Bond parody story is definitely retconned, Sally doesn’t remember it at all because she doesn’t remember going to Casino Night Zone.
6: In Your Face: Flynn apparently didn’t want there to be a happy future for Archie. That’s why he made Silver’s depressing future the default future that he has to prevent where the Freedom Fighters would’ve died before they could ever RECREATE NICOLE as adults and send her back in time. And that’s why he made the king a cripple who’s depressed and shuts out everyone and barely talks. He wasn’t like that in the future in this issue. Sally’s children ” have a grandfather. ” But now we’re supposed to just ignore this panel!
And if it’s true that Flynn tried to say that Nicole is now from a never-named-in-canon Light Mobius all along, that’s another retcon, because this issue clearly insinuated that it was the actual future version of the Prime Sally who sent Nicole back in time. ” She was a gift to myself, from myself. ” And she said that she NOW understands Julayla’s letter in the FUTURE, so they’re the same Sally. Not according to Flynn! How does it make sense that the Anarchy Beryl Bomb was sent to another world called Light Mobius instead of Mobius Prime?!
Scourge’s beef is with Mobius Prime, not Light Mobius! Boomer would know which world he sent it to, he’d see the name of it on his machine or device, and no hero would use an interdimensional portal to send that bomb to another place with people instead of sending it to a place without people. So how could it not be the future of Mobius Prime?
7: Issue 29: The main story couldn’t have happened according to Flynn because if anyone could make a portable deroboticizer, the heroes would’ve used those against Mecha Sally. Nicole can make stuff instantly according to Rotor’s designs, so she would’ve made tons of these things for the heroes. So that story must have been RETCONNED.
8: Tails Miniseries Issue 3: Apparently according to Flynn’s work, Shadow was being mentioned as part of the Great Harmony prophecy all along as he’ll be equally as vital to making it happen as Tails, even though of course the prophecy always implied Tails alone would become able to bring the Emeralds together.
Also, we’re supposed to believe that Tails had the comic he made with him when he left in the Sea Fox even though it was in the crater last time we saw it and he went into the Sea Fox without returning to the crater. Apparently that’s retconned now since Espio knows about the comic he made. So he went back to the crater before leaving Downunda to get his comic.
9: Issue 36: If Flynn’s work is to be believed, it couldn’t have been that the portal to the Zone of Silence was a black hole trying to suck Robotnik into it, because then why did he go into it and ” have many merry adventures ” with Ixis in Flynn’s work? He never wanted to go in there again, in fact he WANTED to have the Zone of Silence DESTROYED in 36 and his experiments on it were affecting its quantum level and making time in it all screwy.
But a big focus of this plot here is that Robotnik was trying to destroy the Zone of Silence because of its expanding portal black hole nature and Sonic destroying the photon cannon he used to ” thwart its advances ” was a problem for him. So was that all just retconned?
10: Issue 39 and Sonic Triple Trouble: If Fang can escape a cell just by squeezing between the bars, the only way him not escaping instantly and instead taking until Issue 39 to escape makes sense, is if according to Flynn, Sonic Triple Trouble’s adaptation took place RIGHT BEFORE Issue 39. 21 ISSUES passed between those two issues! Including two miniseries. Though the comic was kinda episodic back then, so it would make just as much sense for Knuckles to have knocked out Fang a day or so before Issue 39 actually happened.
11: Mecha Madness’ Mammoth Mogul story was contradicted because some Albion knights got introduced as being the ones who beat him offscreen.
12: Issue 43: Flynn made up that the king always relied on a Court of Acorns out of nowhere that were never referenced in Tales of the Great War. So how did more than one person approve of the idea to dismantle the Acorn military? That’s something only a dictator could do because most people would think it was a terrible idea.
13: Sonic Live: This had Merlin’s first appearance. He never said any words to make a spell originally. Apparently according to Flynn’s work, Merlin HAS to say words to cast spells, so how did Knuckles not hear him when he was casting spells to create illusions in the cabin they both were in?
14: Sonic Super Special 1 again: In the Antoine solo story of this issue, Flynn’s memory of the comic couldn’t have it be canon that Antoine used a Ring to power up his sword because Bunnie says later that Rings don’t work for Antoine as well.
15: Issue 50: The healing stasis tube that brought Sally out of the coma and healed her fall injuries couldn’t have existed in Flynn’s canon because it would’ve been made to heal Antoine from the coma no problem. So, did Sally just recover without it? It’d take a long time for her to recover from a fall like that and yet she’s fine in Issue 51. Sonic must have wished on a Ring.
16: Sonic Super Special 2: We’re supposed to pretend that The Devil’s Gulag never existed, because the heroes in the Iron Dominion arc never consider bringing Eggman THERE and instead take the risk of putting him in their OWN CITY. The only way that could make sense at all is if all the scenes with the Devil’s Gulag never existed and the bad guys were all held in a prison in Mobotropolis itself instead of Devil’s Island. So they never escaped in an airship and the king was never told they died when they didn’t.
How could they have escaped prison and gotten so far away from it so easily if they escaped from a prison without an airship for a quick getaway? Maybe the Gulag did exist for Flynn but we’re supposed to just assume it got DESTROYED FOR NO REASON, at some point recent to Issue 200 because come on, it would’ve been rebuilt.
17: Knuckles Comic Issue 5: Echidnapolis has a force field and that’s how it kept radiation out. APPARENTLY its force field generator was destroyed and somehow never rebuilt while the dingoes were running the city. Even though they would’ve loved having it back. The echidnas never thought to use a force field to keep the dingoes out, so they must have somehow lost their generator before the city was taken over. Why didn’t the echidnas send the dingoes to another dimension AGAIN? Like was stated they did in this issue?
Did they not have the technology ANYMORE? HOW? Even if it was ruined by Eggman’s forces, they’d have rebuilt it for Eggman’s sake. This force field generator has to exist or else the echidnas would’ve all been nuked before Knuckles could be born, and the dimensional teleporter has to have existed for the same reason.
19: Issue 53: Supposedly Geoffrey made that probe release Ixis, apparently. So I have to question why Uma injured his head telling him to shut up if they were on the same side. Everyone around him was distracted fighting, so no one would’ve been watching Geoffrey, so she had no reason to put up an act and potentially kill an ally.
Also, Flynn didn’t have Antoine or Geoffrey mention that it wasn’t Ixis who was freed from the Zone of Silence, as that was impossible, it was just a decoy clone Ixis because the real Ixis was in the king’s body ever since he was crystallizing. This revelation was in Sonic Super Special 4.
And ” King Acorn ” acting so paranoid of Uncle Chuck in Sonic Super Special 2 had ” Ixis was possessing him ” as the only explanation and that issue was BEFORE Issue 53 when ” the real Ixis ” would be released. I guess Geoffrey and Antoine misspoke in 233 then? Because the probe didn’t ” free Naugus ” at all, it freed his minions. Does he think the plot point of the king crystallizing never happened?
20: Issue 55: Khan is redesigned later with no one questioning it. And Geoffrey begs Ixis NOT to order the dismantling of the Robians and gets smacked for it, which obviously would’ve proven to him that Ixis was evil back then. So according to Flynn’s issues, Geoffrey couldn’t have been present in the back-up story of this issue at all.
21: Issue 56: Apparently, Turbo Tails was talking all formally here according to Flynn, because it’s established in Flynn’s work that when he goes Turbo Tails, he talks formally.
22: Sonic Super Special 4 Return of the King: This issue is very confusing in retrospect. As Sally explains, Ixis brainwashed all of the city, with no indication he had a brainwashing chamber underground with an old wizard’s bones. Somehow Geoffrey is later revealed to have always supported Ixis without knowing he was evil, but in this issue, Ixis tried to kill all the Robians, Geoffrey is shown finding out about that in this issue. Obviously he would’ve figured out he was evil way earlier.
And yet when Ixis tries to brainwash the Council of Acorns, this is treated as crossing the line by Geoffrey when Ixis already brainwashed Mobotropolis, and neither of them brings that up. The big problem here though is that Ixis MUST have canonically done what he did in Return of the King because his anti-Robian brainwashing spell is what led to him fleeing for the Ixis Chase, because it’s how he revealed himself to be in the king’s body and that’s how the king got back to normal because Ixis left him.
Did Ixis do something completely different to get the heroes’ attention instead? I couldn’t imagine him doing anything ELSE, because that was the only thing that was FORESHADOWED at all! So apparently according to Flynn’s work, GEOFFREY WAS NOT THERE in Return of the King, somehow NOBODY TOLD HIM about Ixis trying to get all the Robians destroyed, and brainwashing Mobotropolis. And Ixis never brainwashed a city before. So, huh?
23: Issue 57: Geoffrey was in Issue 57, he showed up at Sonic’s going away party before he went to chase Ixis. So why would he be here in support of Sonic leaving to go after Ixis? One, that’d show implicit SUPPORT of Sonic chasing Ixis when nothing forces him to, no one thinks he likes Sonic so he doesn’t have to keep up appearances here, and he did nothing to try to stop him like secretly sabotage Tails’ biplane, and two, if Geoffrey’s here, how could he not have been around for or been told about Ixis’ evil plan recently? Did Flynn retcon it that Geoffrey wasn’t even here in this issue?
24: Issue 58: Flying Frog’s backstory shows an older-than-kid-him scaring non-roboticized Mercians and going in and out of jail and implies that was a regular thing for his life before Mogul. So according to Flynn’s idea of canon, there were never any Robians in Mercia. So, uh, how were there Robians working for Antoine’s sub-boss father? Are they not Robians anymore? ” Get them, my roboticized minions! ” He was a sub-boss THERE, and Robin said he had roboticized his friends. Is that all non-canon now?
Or was there somehow a part of Mercia that didn’t have roboticized people all over the place? Because I would think that the sub-boss of Mercia would be given the technological means to roboticize all of Mercia, like he’d have vehicles to get his robots wherever he’d want. If this was going off actual canon, Flying Frog would’ve been roboticized like the rest of the Mercians.
25: Knuckles Comic Issue 12’s happy ending is mostly the prelude to a miserable ending now, as there’s a consequence from echidnas going to Albion in that story that was never originally intended. Those echidnas wouldn’t have been encouraged for centuries to go to Albion, if it was fated to be destroyed.
26: Issue 60: Apparently in Flynn’s canon, Sonic needed a Ring to unbrainwash Khan here as there was no Ring Wand for Tails to knock over. Deus ex Machinas are so better, right? So the entire plot resolution must have been retconned. Also, Khan couldn’t have had his crown on back then according to Flynn’s canon because supposedly the crown protects him from brainwashing when it never did.
Also, apparently Khan must have been TIRED when brought back to normal from all that time he was being controlled by the queen, and had to go to the hospital afterwards. We never saw that in 60. Iron Queen’s design retcon counts too.
27: Issue 61: Valdez’s entire backstory gets retconned later. He was from the Far East all along! Apparently he WASN’T once a secret service agent for King Acorn! Geoffrey just stumbled into him on Angel Island by accident and recruited him for no reason!
28: Issue 66: Later on we learn that Ixis can exaggerate the fear in people and sense fear. So logically he must have used that fear power against Sonic when he fought him, according to Flynn. He would’ve taunted him because he’d know he was intimidated by him. If Ultra Sonic can seal Ixis away, he would’ve done it RIGHT AWAY and avoided the entire action scene. So Nate wouldn’t have gotten any credit for fighting Ixis, so, uh, what did Sonic say in his defense when he came back to Mobotropolis to get everyone okay with him right away?
29: Sonic Super Special 8: I guess in Flynn’s canon, it was the Bride of Rich Nights going against Khan and not this bat guy who was merely a replacement for her later on. Because why would that single clan of ninjas be ordered around by someone who wasn’t their leader? Khan’s redesign later retcons how he looks here, and Flynn randomly changes the No Zone’s name to Parallel Zone later, so that ignores how this issue called it.
30: Issue 73: Nicole goes to sleep mode. Not anymore! According to Flynn, there’s no way she could go to sleep every night or she wouldn’t have caught Tails trying to break Amadeus out of prison. So, Sally would’ve been required to take Nicole out of the room outright to have some time alone with Elias.
31: Knuckles Comic Issue 26: Espio couldn’t have casually suggested Charmy could’ve renounced his family heritage. It would’ve been someone else. Also, all of the side-story arc is confusing in retrospect since Mighty was supposedly always from Mercia, so how was Mighty with Fiona, Ray, and SONIC who comes from Knothole, in a slave camp? If they all come from different continents, how did Eggman capture them all together, why did he think to go all over the world to go find them in particular? I guess they were ALL in Mercia for no reason, and Sonic magically found out he had to go there to save them!
32: Sonic Super Special 11: Elias saw Sally go into the Source of All and talked to her in it. And yet later on he has to be told what it and its artifacts are. Apparently according to Flynn, Elias was never a part of this story. Also, Future Sally apparently never talked to Sally, even though that convinced her to refuse the Source of All and that made it clingy and made her give away the Sword, causing the arc where Ixis was freed to even happen!
How could a version of her who fused with the Source in the future ever exist to talk to her if the Source was destroyed in the future before Sally could fuse with it? She’s supposed to be Future Prime Sally, why would the Source summon another universe future Sally to talk to an unrelated one, when it wouldn’t know about other universes?
ALSO, we clearly see in this issue that the Dark Legion people DO have weddings. Apparently Julie’s father never DID have a wedding, all along, or Julie was never told about it by her adoptive parents somehow.
33: Issue 78: Geoffrey couldn’t have actually shook Sonic’s hand and said he earned his respect according to Flynn because he would’ve been congratulating him for going up to a satellite and guaranteeing that Mobotropolis would be taken over by Eggman, when Geoffrey supposedly wanted that city kept around so Ixis could take it over. You’d think he’d be much more upset and resentful at losing Mobotropolis, more than anyone else because it put his plan on the backburner.
34: Issue 79: I never saw Mammoth Mogul wound the Walkers with the ” LAST ” of his strength after he was freed from the Master Emerald. Flynn apparently thinks he DID, instead of simply going, ” F-Free? ” And then a long time later, making a simulacrum of Tails to siphon magic from the real one with the strength he clearly still has. That was retconned.
35: Issue 82: Tikal apparently never did tell Knuckles about how there was a second Albion colony and it was hers, because Knuckles totally forgets about it in Sonic Universe and is confused. So Knuckles’ entire story must have been retconned here.
36: Issue 84: Locke couldn’t have told Knuckles about the Knuckles Clan according to Flynn because Knuckles says there was only one Albion colony and it became Echidnapolis in Sonic Universe. And he’s confused by pyramids.
37: Issue 86’s back-up story has Khan using lightning without his Ring crown, when we’re expected to believe in the Mecha Sally Arc that Khan needs the crown for his advanced powers. But Khan in this story was sent against a tank right away with no Ring crown, implying that he was meant to be capable of throwing lightning without it, and it was him threatening Eggman with those powers that caused him to decide to put him in that vault in the first place. I guess according to Flynn, Khan NEVER used lightning at all in 86.
38: In Issue 87’s backup story, Eggman takes it upon himself to roboticize a village in the East and it’s not left to his supposed sub-boss there. So apparently as far as Flynn’s work was concerned, it was the Iron King and Queen who was trying to roboticize instead of Eggman in 87. Which would mean that Issue 92 couldn’t have had Khan go to encounter Sonic because he would’ve wanted revenge against the Iron King and Queen, not Eggman, so he wouldn’t have gone to Robotropolis. But the Overlanders would’ve all gone and trusted Eggman anyways because he’s a human.
And all of the ending panels of the main story were apparently retconned away because even though Sonic was acknowledging that Shard turned good and Tails wished he could save him from the volcano, the next time Sonic sees Shard, all of the heroes act like assholes and try to kill him unprovoked as if he’s still their enemy!
39: Issue 89: The neutralizer used against Antoine’s father couldn’t have existed according to Flynn’s work or the heroes would’ve used that against Mecha Sally. So, I guess according to Flynn, what really happened was that Antoine’s father was kept deactivated as if he was in a coma until Sally could help him? He was just kept knocked out the whole time without him running out of power and dying? Why did he need to be guarded when he was in a cell in Issue 100, then? So he wasn’t?
40: Issue 92: Khan couldn’t have shown up to Sonic as far as Flynn’s writing goes because if the Iron Queen was Eggman’s sub-boss, it would’ve been left to her to roboticize his village, for convenience for Eggman, so he wouldn’t have gone to Robotropolis to get revenge and fought Sonic. Also Khan’s design is retconned later.
41: Issue 93: We’re told that supposedly Geoffrey was intentionally undermining the royal family manipulating Elias, when in Heart to Heart Geoffrey confides in Hershey when he doesn’t have to because he’s clearly full of shame that he did it to prove he could be as capable as Sonic. Also, Elias calls Sonic a gentleman-of-arms in Issue 159. You’d think that this would be the LATEST that he would’ve given Sonic back his knighthood.
And at the earliest he would’ve gotten it back when his sentencing to stay in Knothole was overturned, presumably when Elias ran away. And yet it takes until 162 for Sonic to be knighted again. For this to make sense, Sonic would’ve had to have lost his knighthood much later in the comic for a different reason.
Originally he had lost his knighthood in the first place for losing the Sword of Acorns, which was all the way back in Issue 92. And Issue 94 is firmly established to be taking place during the Chaos Knuckles arc because Athair whisks Tails away from school to fight Chaos Knuckles. And 94 has Sonic be confined to Knothole.
42: Sonic Super Special Issue 14: Espio apparently WASN’T in the Twilight Cage with the rest of the Chaotix anymore because supposedly he was there in Issue 97 to see Sonic dress up as The Sneak.
43: Sonic Super Special 15 Naugus Games was retconned and recreated to make less sense.
44: Issue 94’s backup story (there’s a consequence from that story that was never originally intended)
45: Issue 95: Snively’s father was in Flynn’s memory cold to him when he saw him instead of hugging him, or else he would’ve told Hope they were related. Also, the only way that Uma’s kids being honor bound to serve Ixis would make sense is if Uma laid her eggs while she was still working for Ixis, ALL THE WAY BACK in issue 53, meaning she would’ve separated herself from her group discretely without being seen and hidden the eggs somehow in, uh, the lab with the Zone of Silence portal.
Because she was separated from Ixis permanently right after her first appearance in 53, because she was crystallized and her statue was brought to prison. It stayed in that prison until Snively escaped it and brought her statue with him.
Super Sonic Special Return of the King was BEFORE Snively escaped prison WITH Uma and Kodos’ statues. They had to have been brought with Snively or they wouldn’t have had a reason to MEET him and team up with him. Apparently, according to Flynn’s work, that statue thievery never happened and Ixis broke her out of prison and uncrystallized her just to do nothing with her we know of, so she could lay eggs that would be honor bound to serve Ixis, and then Kodos would learn where she was and call her to tell her to join Snively’s gang with him.
But even then, there’s still something confusing; the Sword of Acorns couldn’t have had the power to let people see the future in Flynn’s work because it would’ve warned Sally that the spider-kids she was giving it to would give it to Ixis later.
46: and Issue 97: Apparently, Turbo Tails was talking all formally here according to Flynn, when he wasn’t, because it’s established in Flynn’s work that when he goes Turbo Tails, he talks formally.
47: Issue 98: It must be retconned so that Eggman was holding the book with the disc of Gerald’s diary in it more carefully so the disc wouldn’t have fallen out of it. If he actually had held it up like a book in front of his face, the disc would’ve fallen and broken Gerald’s journal.
And we’re apparently supposed to just take it at face value that a psychopath like Archie Eggman made a copy of Gerald’s diary from sentimentality and hid it somewhere outside of Robotropolis so it wouldn’t end up nuked with it, and he brought that copy to his new city. Because he’s just THAT crazy prepared that he thought his city would be destroyed!
48: Issue 100: Why did Antoine’s father need to be supervised by Antoine when he was in a cell? The neutralizer used against Antoine’s father couldn’t have existed according to Flynn’s work or the heroes would’ve used that against Mecha Sally. So, I guess according to Flynn, what really happened was that Antoine’s father was kept deactivated as if he was in a coma until Sally could help him? He was just kept knocked out the whole time without him running out of power and dying?
49: Issue 107 shows Espio with the Chaotix right after they were released from the Twilight Cage but apparently we have to ignore that, because supposedly he was there in Issue 97 during the Chaos Knuckles arc to see Sonic dress up as The Sneak.
50: Issue 110: The Sword of Acorns couldn’t have had the power to let people see the future in Flynn’s work because it would’ve warned Sally that the spider-kids she was giving it to would give it to Ixis later. So this whole back-up story couldn’t have happened. Even though it’s a big part of the excuse for why Sally stupidly gave up the Sword. But according to Flynn, how could it have happened? So she now just gave up the Sword from arrogance because she thought she was too good for it and didn’t need it, I guess.
51: Issue 111: The Sword of Acorns couldn’t have had the power to let people see the future in Flynn’s work because it would’ve warned Sally that the spider-kids she was giving it to would give it to Ixis later in THIS issue, and yet it didn’t.
So for this to make sense, Flynn’s canon must have it that Sally DIDN’T get a vision of the future and thus the castle and Knothole DIDN’T have guards around in a pointless attempt at trying to prevent the spider kids from breaking into the castle. Why did she give up the Sword, then? Well, maybe she also hated floating with no eyeballs and being forced to destroy Kodos with it, it made her feel less human.
52: Issue 118 (supposedly Geoffrey was lying about why he had manipulated Elias but he didn’t even have to tell Hershey he did at all)
53: Issue 119 clearly has Future Rotor say that Nicole is ” from the future. ” NOT Light Mobius or anything. How could this be in the same universe as Flynn’s work when Silver is from a totally different-seeming future later?
54: Issue 120: Mighty’s backstory is totally retconned later. His parents were roboticized, they weren’t jewel thieves arrested and put on death row. But according to Flynn his line of dialogue in that self-reflection there was different.
55: Issue 130: In House of Cards later, Nicole talks as if it’s since Sonic returned from space that he and Tails have been distant, when Tails clearly only had a problem AFTER he started dating Fiona. But according to Flynn they hated each other or something even back THEN, in this issue where Tails never even really interacted with Sonic and had no reason to be distant from him!
56: Issue 134 (Big the Cat was in Knothole. According to Flynn he could’ve only still been in the cat country).
57: Issue 135: Eggman APPARENTLY knew the Metal Destructix were cheap replicas ALL ALONG, according to Flynn, so I have to wonder how he thought that ADAM had managed to FAKE video memories of their time as non-roboticized people.
Also, that story clearly showed that Anonymous had a mustache like Eggman would’ve, which is from the old writer’s original idea that Anonymous would be the first Robotnik Prime. Apparently that never happened, and Anonymous really isn’t ” as tall as ” Eggman. Ignore the way he clearly revealed himself to look in that video!
58: Issue 136: According to Flynn’s writing, Sonic couldn’t have used a Ring to bring Jules back from the dead, because then why didn’t he do that to get Antoine out of a mere coma? So Jules was never attacked by the infiltrator robot at all, then? So the plot was totally different then, Sonic must have woken up in time after all? Jules had to go save Sonic and get hurt because Sonic was TIRED.
59: Issue 139: Finitevus’ only residence is stated to be Angel Island. Apparently according to Flynn he detected Isaac’s underground base somehow from UP all the way in Angel Island. I guess he also has a home on the surface for no reason at all just so he could arbitrarily have a seismic wave detector that would lead him to find the base he had no reason to go looking for, and he never ran into the heroes when they went to the base.
And here, there’s no indication he was ever not a Dark Legionnaire (he has black eyes and is with the Legion no big deal). Obviously Finitevus’ new backstory contradicts that. And also makes it very confusing that he kicked the Brotherhood into the Twilight Cage when he would immediately proceed to fight against Eggman for a YEAR when he just got rid of the island’s best bet against him, so why didn’t he join him outright at that point?
What motivation did he actually have for fighting Eggman for a year if he always wanted the world destroyed and didn’t care about the island being as protected from Eggman as possible? WHY didn’t he destroy the world with the Master Emerald a long time ago if he had it in his possession and was ALWAYS that crazy the way he looked?!
It’s very hard to make sense of this, and reconcile Old Finitevus with Flynn Finitevus. In fact, I think it might make more sense if Flynn Finitevus was actually a totally different character, and according to Flynn’s work, the old Finitevus we knew looked completely different and was a different person entirely. Then him fighting Eggman and liberating echidnas for a year would make sense.
And we DIDN’T ever see Flynn’s work remind us that he WAS doing those good things, did we? But Flynn really wanted us to think otherwise because he showed a panel where Finitevus was the one who imprisoned the Brotherhood when they disappeared, and why would he be there on Angel Island if he wasn’t with them for Return to Angel Island?
Also, in the original story, there was zero indication that the Avatar prophecy was an Albion thing. If you take Flynn’s word for it, it WAS from Albion. I guess it was from all the way back when ALL the echidnas lived in Albion. But that was so far back in history that there’s no reason all the echidnas on Angel Island would rediscover that ancient Avatar prophecy by going through the ancient historical knowledge it’d be buried in. That’s too far back in time to be in the pop culture of their current time. It’d make more sense if it was a prophecy from their island since it’d be more RECENT.
Also, Lien-Da is happy to be the only one in charge of the Dark Legion with Dimitri gone and this reaffirms that she’s all about power and independence. Flynn makes her so desperate to get new cybernetics that she works under someone else willingly when her cybernetics were always USELESS to her anyways AND SHE NEVER EVEN MENTIONED THEM before.
Also, the Return to Angel Island arc had the Dark Legion fighting Eggman for a whole year. They would NOT go work for Eggman after all that! Even Penders said on Twitter that they’d rather commit seppuku than serve Eggman. And they have to have been fighting him in canon or else how did the heroes find out where Locke was being imprisoned, who was liberating the echidnas from the prison camps other than the Legionnaires?
With all these contradictions to it, I’m starting to wonder if Flynn never even read the Return to Angel Island arc because the arc is so confusing in retrospect. Finitevus is a completely different character doing nothing but good things. The Dark Legion is also different in the same way.
60: Issues 142 and 143: Silver’s book says that the FIRST Freedom Fighters were the ones we know, when no, the first ones were the ORIGINAL Freedom Fighters, who BUILT Knothole in the first place. Would history really forget that important historical contribution? Maybe but still, taken at face value, it implies that they never even existed, retconning these stories outright and unfilling the plot hole of ” how did Knothole get built and who guided people to it? “
61: Issue 143: Locke’s death in the future was completely ignored and retconned. Maybe this is where the ” LIGHT MOBIUS ” nonsense comes in that was never mentioned in the official comic at all and is therefore not technically canon. Because according to Flynn, 25 Years Later is in another dimension all along. Even though Sonic’s kids are named Sonia and Manik and obviously only the Prime Sonic would’ve had the opportunity to zone-hop and MEET Sonia and Manic, to decide to name his kids after them.
62: Issue 145: Apparently according to Flynn’s work, Tails ” knew there was a problem ” in the future, so he prepared accordingly to be immune to the timeline change. That can only mean that Rotor thought to tell him there was a problem for no reason that would destroy the world, or that Tails was secretly in the Tachyon Chamber all along when the heroes were, and was just hiding, like he was invisible.
63: Issue 148 ” Playing Around “: Big the Cat was in Knothole’s play, but he couldn’t have been according to Flynn since when we see him again in the cat country, Sonic and him act like he’s never been to Knothole and Big has to be told why he should go.
64: Issue 150: Evil Sonic to Anti Sonic, in the original story Titan Tails is supposed to have made the charm against Mogul and no Walkers had been mentioned in it to have made it. Archy must have gotten brain damage and lost tons of IQ points after this issue where he was smart enough to just warp Rouge away with a touch, since he never does this again to prevent the Enerjak Knuckles arc. Also, it was called No Zone back then and not Parallel Zone.
65: Issue 151 (Evil Sonic to Anti Sonic, and Nicole is said to sleep during the night.)
66: Issue 152: Not only does this issue contradict the idea that the Egg Grapes are for siphoning people’s energy and the Zone of Silence somehow, since ADAM said the Egg Grapes’ contents aren’t yet ready for interacting with the outside world, but if Fiona just stuck with being a hero for Sonic, then why did she stay a hero for a long time long BEFORE Sonic dated her just an issue after this, and WHY did she go out of her way to tell Snively that he and Robotnik should do better things with their lives?
Why was she so worried about Sonic when he was hurt by Shadow and run up to him calling out his name? Why did she care that the nanites would forever change the environment and ecology of the nanite city? Why did she call out Bean on trying to blow up Sonic? 172 contradicts all of Fiona’s history as a Freedom Fighter.
67: Issue 154: The only way it could make sense that Fang didn’t escape his cell way earlier was that after he was arrested for trying to kill Mina, he escaped right after Sally left, and then was put in jail for something else later down the line just before Mogul broke out the Destructix.
As for the backup story, there was no indication Tommy ever started acting up after the nanites went into his shell. We were just told they’d help him fly. Now we’re expected to believe he was always being a jerk, ruining inventions and stealing guitars, the second he got nanites in his shell that would let him fly. AND that he was constantly getting into trouble getting kidnapped to the point where Rotor hates him now, when he literally only got kidnapped twice, once recently so robots could be made of him.
68: Issue 158 arc: As far as Flynn’s concerned, rather than King Max, Uncle Chuck and Rotor completely keeping the creation of the Metal Sonic Troopers a secret from everyone, like was implied in the 158 arc, and so ADAM never would’ve found out because the people he infected like Tommy, Bunnie and Jules would’ve never learned about them, Tommy DID know about the Metal Sonic Troopers before they were released and thus ADAM could learn about them through him, and send a robot to Knothole he’d control, and that robot was never discovered and destroyed before it could get nanites into them to take them over. Maybe the robot was sent to the troopers at midnight when no one was on look-out?
69: Issue 159: In the main story, Shadow originally destroyed all the Metal Sonic Troopers with a wave of his hand without even taking off his inhibitor rings. Later on Flynn brings in the inhibitor rings idea from Sonic X, which had nothing to do with Archie and fans in Sonic-Grams were even begging the writers NOT to bring in Sonic X material to the comic.
So for it to make sense, it has to be that according to Flynn’s work, the Metal Sonic Troopers were all destroyed differently, in a proper way, like maybe by Sonic’s tornado to begin with, and not just by one hit from Shadow in a Deus ex Machina. This is a good change but one that we should’ve been told was an intentional retcon. Because if Shadow could be that powerful without his inhibitor rings, then why did he need to take the rings off to do a Chaos Blast later on? Just for it to be completely USELESS?
In the side story, Eggman talks as if he plans to use the nanites against the heroes very soon, saying he’ll strike at the time they least expect. And yet when Flynn takes over the comic, Eggman somehow DOESN’T do that. His next plan is to send completely unrelated bad guys after the heroes, and it takes until 168, when ADAM, not Eggman, carries out the nanite plan. That wasn’t foreshadowed at all.
So apparently, according to Flynn, Eggman didn’t say that he’ll strike when they least expect and instead he said he’ll strike WAY LATER or something. Also, Eggman just thinks of Snively as a traitor here. Apparently he doesn’t anymore since he thought hiring him back for no reason would be a good idea.
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